Ethereal-users: Re: [Ethereal-users] Help Analysing Transaction

Note: This archive is from the project's previous web site, ethereal.com. This list is no longer active.

From: ronnie sahlberg <ronniesahlberg@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:13:33 +1000
This is a bug in RFC793 that has been fixed in more recent rfcs.

One reason why one can not send data in the SYN segment is that
at this stage the window is not yet defined.
Since we do not have a window (yet) we are not allowed to send data.




This is one of the reasons why TTCP did not and could not work but this was not known to be a problem when rfc793 was written.



On 10/25/05, Jack Jackson <jack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
At 05:43 PM 10/24/2005, ronnie sahlberg wrote:


On 10/25/05, Jack Jackson <jack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Likewise I have never seen data sent
with SYN, which is also legal.


No this is not legal.   TTCP tried to experiment long time ago with this in order to  reduce the cost of latency for small shortlived transactions but issues were found with this approach (data inside the syn segment) which essentially killed TTCP off.

In TCP it is not legal to transfer data in the SYN segment.

Perhaps it has changed, but RFC 793 clearly allows data in SYN segments.

From Section 3.3

"For sequence number purposes, the SYN is considered to occur before the first actual data octet of the segment in which it occurs, while the FIN is considered  to occur after the last actual data octet in a segment in which it occurs.  The segment length (SEG.LEN) includes both data and sequence space occupying controls."

From Section 3.4

"Several examples of connection initiation follow.  Although these examples do not show connection synchronization using data-carrying segments, this is perfectly legitimate, so long as the receiving TCP doesn't deliver the data to the user until it is clear the data is valid (i.e., the data must be buffered at the receiver until the connection reaches the ESTABLISHED state)."

It is also discussed as legal in Douglas E. Comer's "Internetworking with TCP/IP Vol 1" (13.24)
_______________________________________________
Ethereal-users mailing list
Ethereal-users@xxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.ethereal.com/mailman/listinfo/ethereal-users